Robert Roberts on Matthew 18

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September 30, 2005

Len said:

Once they are aware of wrong-doing, they have no choice but to act.

Now, I don't agree with that. However, I understand that my opinion is not likely to cut much ice here, so I'm going to quote from the Ecclesial Guide, written by Robert Roberts, the first editor of the Christadelphian.

But supposing an offence arise which a brother cannot thus overlook, but which he feels to be a barrier between himself and the offender, then he is bound to take the course indicated. He is not at liberty to mention the matter to a third party, and he is not at liberty to stand aside in a state of alienation. If he do either the one or the other, he makes himself as much an offender as he may imagine the cause of his injured feelings to be. A man who disobeys the commandment of Christ on one point, is as much a transgressor as the man who disobeys it on another. Consequently, an ecclesia knowing of such a case, is bound to persuade the offended brother to see the offender in private, or to withdraw from him in case of refusal.

Ecclesial Guide, Section 36, emphasis mine.

In Robert Roberts' opinion no Christadelphian should have listened to the accusations against me until Matthew 18 had been followed. Not that tradition matters, but it would be hard to get more a Christadelphian who was more traditional than Robert Roberts!

There is a sample constitution in the Ecclesial Guide. Clause 31 reads:

That no accusation or matter of evil report against any brother shall be listened to in public or private, until the brother bringing or reporting the accusation shall have taken the course prescribed in Matt. xviii. 15-18; and any brother refusing to take this course while persisting in his accusation, or in alienation on account of it, shall himself be considered and dealt with as an offender against the law of Christ.

There is a similar clause in the Constitution of the Belfast Ecclesia

No Christadelphian should have listened to or acted on Mike Kragman's accusations until Mike Kragman went through the process of Matthew 18. I was and am prepared to do this, but I will not discuss the accusations with a third party. There is no loophole in Matthew 18. Nobody can be made to respond to accusations until the accuser has followed Christ's clear commandment. Read Matthew 18. Think about what Robert Roberts says about it in the Ecclesial Guide. Anybody who has seen the evidence and acts on it in any way should, in the words of the sample constitution "be considered and dealt with as an offender against the law of Christ."

Comments

Posted by: Len on September 30, 2005 10:24 PM

You didn't answer my question, which is whether "Kragmen" presented your ecclesia with evidence, or whether the ecclesia acted on hearsay alone. As it stands, you appear to be accusing your ecclesia of the latter, which is a serious charge. If proof were dropped into their laps, the only course open to them is to discipline your accuser and you both.

Posted by: Andrew McFarland on October 1, 2005 12:52 PM

I'm sorry Len, whether or not they saw any evidence is irrelevant: "no accusation or matter of evil report against any brother shall be listened to in public or private, until the brother bringing or reporting the accusation shall have taken the course prescribed in Matt. xviii. 15-18"

Posted by: Len on October 1, 2005 01:02 PM

I'm sorry, but that's not true; you took my statement out of context: when we know for sure you're involved in wrong-doing, we have no choice but to act. If the person presenting the proof is acting wrongfully, he too must be dealt with--but it doesn't imply that your wrongdoing can be ignored.

Posted by: Andrew McFarland on October 1, 2005 01:32 PM

I am not saying my wrongdoing should be ignored. I have said several times that I will respond to my original accuser.

Wrongdoing, and suspicion of wrongdoing must be handled in the way Christ commanded.

I'm not sure that this is strictly relevant, but the evidence and accusations that have been presented to me seem to be a subset of the evidence and accusations circulated about me. More on that later!